Doug Parnell, leader of the PDM political party in Turks and Caicos, rejects the UK constitution draft which the British plan to impose on the citizens without a vote. In addition, Clayton Greene, leader of the PNP political party in Turks and Caicos, also rejects the draft UK constitution. Mr. Greene has been vocal in his opposition to the new constitution being passed without a referendum, having written the FCO director Henry Bellingham stating as much. Both political parties representing the local government and citizens of Turks and Caicos have rejected the new UK constitution and its enactment.
Mr. Parnell sets out his unequivocal rejection of the new constitution and states point-by-point the reason for his rejection.
By Douglas Parnell
Leader, Peoples Democratic Movement
The Peoples Democratic Movement (PDM) rejects the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) draft constitution. Offered below are a number of reasons taken from our party’s position paper on the issue why it is unacceptable for our people and country at this stage of our development.
The 2010 review of the constitution of the Turks and Caicos Islands comes from an unfortunate period of maladministration and corruption exposed by a far reaching Commission of Inquiry requested by our party for the good of the country.
Peoples Democratic Movement leader Douglas Parnell
The findings of the Commission were shocking, and exposed numerous failings on the part of individuals in the last government, including individuals in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and the Governor. Ironically, while the Commission was in oral hearings, the Turks and Caicos Governor was still busy signing off on transactions where there was alleged corruption. The final report does not cite one constitutional failure as a cause for these alarming acts on the part of ministers.
It must be pointed out that this was not the first Commission of Inquiry to be requested. If former Governor Richard Tauwhare is to be believed, he declared at a Chamber of Commerce meeting in May 2008 that he had requested the FCO to call a commission of inquiry as far back as 2005. This was during a period before the 2006 constitution was enacted and in reality the Governor had greater authority and responsibility to act and correct failures of the local government at that time.
The FCO did not listen. What remains to be seen is whether the FCO will listen to the voice and wishes of the people to return our 2006 constitution or whether the FCO and its ministers will turn a deaf ear towards our concerns on OUR constitution.
As for the information in the Commission of Inquiry, the PDM stands resolute in our stance that “we told you so” and can safely say that we did what was right during this period of maladministration, unlike Governors Poston and Tauwhare, Meg Munn and Leigh Turner, who did what was wrong and ignored our concerns of corruption, and gross maladministration when they were brought forward and were summarily dismissed as lacking sufficient evidence.
The greatest obstacle to good governance and deterrent to sound financial management is a lack of hearing and adherence to the already existing laws of the Turks and Caicos Islands on the part of persons in authority. When this happens with locally elected officials, we have a remedy at the polls through a General Election, but when this happens with UK officials at the FCO the people of the territory have no recourse and we suffer for years, sometimes even decades.
Even today the FCO is not listening to their own MPs such as Andrew Rosindell and Lord Nigel Jones, who have both warned that a constitution cannot and should not be forced on the people of the Turks and Caicos Islands. Even to this day the FCO has neglected to pave a path for direct negotiations with the political parties on any change to the constitution as called for by our party and the British Parliament’s All Party Parliamentary Group on Turks and Caicos Islands, despite the precedent set during the 1986 suspension.
The FCO must remember that it has appointed over the years governors and attorneys general who have not served the interest of the people, but who served their own interest and broke the law.
The FCO cannot simply look at the last eight years and try to impose a constitution on the people based upon this period but it must look back and honestly assess its own failings, gross neglect and incompetence in administering its constitutional obligations to the Turks and Caicos people and our territory, obligations that is has agreed with the world to uphold and move towards. Yet, in this FCO draft constitution, the UK’s United Nations obligations are being disregarded. It is clear that the FCO is attempting to move the country backwards to an era of colonialism. It is seeking to extend temporary direct rule into permanent authority over the government of the Turks and Caicos Islands through its proposed draft constitution. This is unacceptable and we utterly reject it.
One of the measures being used to extend permanent authority over the Turks and Caicos people and their government is by granting greater authority to the governor under the pretext of correcting failures of the past. The governor would be granted the authority to:
a) reject the decision of cabinet,
b) make decisions contrary to cabinet; and
c) solely make appointments to public bodies.
Two cases come to mind that discredit this theory that granting greater constitutional power to governors will avoid corruption or conflicts of interest. Specific examples arise, namely, Attorney General Terrence Donnegan and Governor Christopher Turner. These two cases involved abuses of constitutional power. One was convicted and deported after the 1986 inquiry and the other left the territory in disgrace after granting special concessions to close relatives, which ended up costing the Turks and Caicos Islands people millions of dollars to correct. The FCO and the British Government did nothing to pay for their mistakes.
The people of the Turks and Caicos Islands cannot trust their constitutional destiny to a governor with unchecked power and authority over the three branches of government, the legislature, the executive and the judiciary. Our history has proven that governors can and will fail to act with integrity and honesty in their decision making powers. This draft FCO constitution also grants the governor unchecked power and authority over the institutions protecting the three branches of government making him a complete and total constitutional dictator.
We have been down this road before where the level of incompetence and corruption in government by locally elected officials, coupled with the incompetence and neglect at the FCO, has caused our country’s constitution to be temporarily suspended. We have equally been down the road where the imposed solutions to fix the equal failings of the locally elected government and the FCO robs the people of their democratic, constitutional and fundamental human rights. We wish not to go down that road again as proposed in this draft constitution.
In introducing the draft 2006 constitution for public consultation and debate, Lord Triesman remarked, “The UK has only retained those powers, including for the Governor, which are – and will remain -- necessary in TCI to ensure the implementation of international obligations; to protect itself against contingent liabilities; and to ensure good governance.” So what happened to the governor and his constitutional ability to ensure good governance? Again, it was not the people or the constitution that failed. It was the individuals the FCO appointed who failed in giving the necessary attention to the Turks and Caicos Islands. The FCO now seeks to cover up its failings and problems by imposing an untenable constitution on an unwilling people.
The fact is the FCO failed to uphold their responsibility for good governance, yet the people are being punished for it through a draft constitution that is regressive. This draft represents a major backward step for the people and the protection of their fundamental rights. Specifically, it has components that ignore the will of the people as expressed through their representatives in our Parliamentary system of democracy. This document would eliminate Parliament’s authority on specific matters. The message communicated is one of distrust and suspicion.
We can only conclude from the constitutional proposals that the FCO does not trust the people of the Turks and Caicos Islands to make sound decisions through their representatives and the mechanisms to make law because decisions can be overridden, limited and removed from Parliament’s ability to handle the country’s business. This is dangerous.
In exercising its remit in the Turks and Caicos Islands the FCO should be concentrating on fulfilling its commitment made to the rest of the world in the United Nations charter.
The UK will argue, wrongly, that it is not bound by International obligation, as former FCO minister under the Labour government, Lord Triesman, claimed in his speech to the Turks and Caicos Islands on April 24, 2006.
He said, “In this context, it might be helpful if I set out the UK position on alternative forms of relationship, some of which I know have been discussed here in TCI in recent weeks. UN General Assembly Resolution 1541 set out some options for the relationship between Administering Powers and Territories, including independence, integration and free association. The UK did not vote in favour of that resolution, and does not regard itself as bound by it”.
However, we are eager to point out to the FCO that not being bound to 1541 does not mean there isn’t still an obligation to Turks and Caicos Islands under the United Nations Charter. The text of Chapter XI of Article 73 paragraph A and B of the United Nations Charter, Declaration Regarding Non-Self-Governing Territories, reads, “Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end:
a. to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;
b. to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement;
Clearly, if we are to hold the British Government to account for their role in helping the Turks and Caicos Islands and our people achieve any measure of advancement, the grade would be low. The fact is this exercise of constitutional change is counter and opposite to the obligations that the UK government has agreed to the world to uphold with regard to Turks and Caicos Islands. We reject it and will continue the work on drafting a constitution for the people of the Turks and Caicos Islands.
Thursday, May 19, 2011
Some Highlights of Turks and Caicos Town Hall Meeting for UK Draft Constitution
By: CC
Last night's town hall meeting for the new constitution had some defining moments. We should be proud of everyone who showed up even if they were there for support and not to speak.
I find it interesting that it was held in a church of worship and many believe that it was a strategy to keep us "God fearing" Belongers from fully stating our minds. Even Ian Hendry the UK moderator from the FCO made a remark about it being in a house of God so as to tell the truth. It was remarkable. Nobody is quite certain what the two ladies that flanked Mr. Hendry were there to do, they seemed to have no function.
The energy was palpable and the attendance was plentiful. Despite grumblings and gestures from those in the audience toward misstatements by Mr. Hendry, all attendees were polite and well behaved under the circumstances. There were also cheers and claps from attendees when several in the audience took to the mic to voice their concerns about the new constitution, although the mic had intermittent failures as well as poor audio and annoying feedback. We hope that this was coincidental.
Mr. Hendry looked annoyed at certain comments or corrections made by audience members as he tried to speak. It looked out of character for such a smooth operator whose technique with words was his strong asset. Mr. Hendry made several attempts to get the audience to work with the new constitution instead of rejecting it entirely. Although a couple of attendees vaguely agreed that some of the changes in the constitution looked okay, the majority in attendance rejected the new constitution in its entirety which was punctuate with a show of hands by a couple of the speakers. In fact Mr. Hendry tried to point out that the new provisions for nature conservancy is something we could agree on, to which someone in the audience called to his attention that it was used to cause the Chalk Sound Homeowners to lose their homes.
There were some other highlights from the audience speakers. There were some interesting points by our speakers:
1. That the FCO has a history of failing to work together with the citizens
2. The general feeling of pushed aside and disenfranchised
3. That Falkland is being given expensive border defence unlike Turks and Caicos, the only difference in the two OT's is skin colour
4. That the new constitution makes the assumption that the governor is alway superior over the citizens that are corruptible
5. That the new meeting was another way to waste Belongers' time because the FCO will not implement the changes
6. There was talk of intimidation, the special prosecutor passing around Michael Misick's wedding album identifying who was in attendance
7. There was a show of hands for the audience on who was in fear attending the meeting (most everyone's hands went up).
A crowd pleaser was Floyd Seymour's comment that he was in favour of the enquiry but he didn't realise that when the British were given the car to clean that they returned it with the transmission torn apart.
I think we got the better of them. Mr. Hendry looked frazzled as did Doreen Quelch Missick. All of the speakers were passionate and honest, but also polite I thought.
The most surprising speech was by Doug Parnell. We all know he has been working with the Interim government closely and flying to London to meet with Henry Bellingham. I almost fell out of my seat when he said that this document (the new constitution) would force us to sever our relationship with the UK and move toward independence. He said it was a deal breaker and he would take it as a sign to drive us away.
Last night's town hall meeting for the new constitution had some defining moments. We should be proud of everyone who showed up even if they were there for support and not to speak.
I find it interesting that it was held in a church of worship and many believe that it was a strategy to keep us "God fearing" Belongers from fully stating our minds. Even Ian Hendry the UK moderator from the FCO made a remark about it being in a house of God so as to tell the truth. It was remarkable. Nobody is quite certain what the two ladies that flanked Mr. Hendry were there to do, they seemed to have no function.
The energy was palpable and the attendance was plentiful. Despite grumblings and gestures from those in the audience toward misstatements by Mr. Hendry, all attendees were polite and well behaved under the circumstances. There were also cheers and claps from attendees when several in the audience took to the mic to voice their concerns about the new constitution, although the mic had intermittent failures as well as poor audio and annoying feedback. We hope that this was coincidental.
Mr. Hendry looked annoyed at certain comments or corrections made by audience members as he tried to speak. It looked out of character for such a smooth operator whose technique with words was his strong asset. Mr. Hendry made several attempts to get the audience to work with the new constitution instead of rejecting it entirely. Although a couple of attendees vaguely agreed that some of the changes in the constitution looked okay, the majority in attendance rejected the new constitution in its entirety which was punctuate with a show of hands by a couple of the speakers. In fact Mr. Hendry tried to point out that the new provisions for nature conservancy is something we could agree on, to which someone in the audience called to his attention that it was used to cause the Chalk Sound Homeowners to lose their homes.
There were some other highlights from the audience speakers. There were some interesting points by our speakers:
1. That the FCO has a history of failing to work together with the citizens
2. The general feeling of pushed aside and disenfranchised
3. That Falkland is being given expensive border defence unlike Turks and Caicos, the only difference in the two OT's is skin colour
4. That the new constitution makes the assumption that the governor is alway superior over the citizens that are corruptible
5. That the new meeting was another way to waste Belongers' time because the FCO will not implement the changes
6. There was talk of intimidation, the special prosecutor passing around Michael Misick's wedding album identifying who was in attendance
7. There was a show of hands for the audience on who was in fear attending the meeting (most everyone's hands went up).
A crowd pleaser was Floyd Seymour's comment that he was in favour of the enquiry but he didn't realise that when the British were given the car to clean that they returned it with the transmission torn apart.
I think we got the better of them. Mr. Hendry looked frazzled as did Doreen Quelch Missick. All of the speakers were passionate and honest, but also polite I thought.
The most surprising speech was by Doug Parnell. We all know he has been working with the Interim government closely and flying to London to meet with Henry Bellingham. I almost fell out of my seat when he said that this document (the new constitution) would force us to sever our relationship with the UK and move toward independence. He said it was a deal breaker and he would take it as a sign to drive us away.
We All Reject the New UK Constitution in Turks and Caicos
By: Proud Islander
The headline that I wrote sums it up. We sat there in the house of God as beckoned by the UK Foreign Commonwealth Office. They called us to a holy sanctuary thinking they would deter us from speaking our minds. But God intervened and allowed us to speak our hearts. The British thought that they could play on our fears by bringing us to the church when we could have assembled at a public auditorium.
The pride from my heart turned to overwhelming joy when I witnessed each of our speakers bare his and her souls. We cried out to be heard of the wrongs that we endure with high taxes, high cost of living, no jobs, the heartache of the jeopardy that we face with the new British rule and now a constitution to solidify their occupation. We cried out for us. Not for them. We know that our cries were falling on deaf ears but we did it any way for us to have our say out loud in front of God and our country.
We said no to the bigoted Ian Hendry another white man from England sent to school us and put us in our place. He said that the British call all the shots. You could hear a gasp from all of us at once.
The British try to get us to agree to this or that thing in their constitution draft but we said no, we won't be agreeing to nothing in that document because we reject it. Minor issues are not the debate because we disagree with the draft constitution entirely. The British had trouble understanding, we won't focus on small points in it. Who drafted the constitution? Not us.
Our men dressed real nice and spoke well. We showed the FCO representatives that we have many educated, smart and capable leaders in Turks and Caicos. The church was filled with capable leaders and Ian Hendry can take that back to England because that's a fact. We don't need the likes of the British white men thinking they are superior to us just because of the colour of their skin. Their skin colour does not make them more qualified to run our country when we have good, educated individuals that care about our futures and our country.
We will not play games with their constitution changes anymore. They want us to work with it and we say no. If it were a real constitution it would be made by the people, for the people and voted on by the people. They cannot swoop in to draft a new constitution of their own liking and give their own governor authority over our government at his will and trick us into agreeing to it without a vote setting us back 30 years and taking away our self determination. Ian Hendry can take that back to England too.
There is not a chance that these constitutional lawyers believe in their honest moments that what they are doing is legally or ethically right. They know they are doing dirty work. I call upon Mr. Hendry and his side kicks to withdraw from their duties of wrong doing. No constitutional lawyer with any scruples would advise a people to accept any constitution without a vote and certainly not this one. I can't get over how they are trying to trick us. The FCO are slippery serpents, as is Ian Hendry. Take that back to England now sir.
The headline that I wrote sums it up. We sat there in the house of God as beckoned by the UK Foreign Commonwealth Office. They called us to a holy sanctuary thinking they would deter us from speaking our minds. But God intervened and allowed us to speak our hearts. The British thought that they could play on our fears by bringing us to the church when we could have assembled at a public auditorium.
The pride from my heart turned to overwhelming joy when I witnessed each of our speakers bare his and her souls. We cried out to be heard of the wrongs that we endure with high taxes, high cost of living, no jobs, the heartache of the jeopardy that we face with the new British rule and now a constitution to solidify their occupation. We cried out for us. Not for them. We know that our cries were falling on deaf ears but we did it any way for us to have our say out loud in front of God and our country.
We said no to the bigoted Ian Hendry another white man from England sent to school us and put us in our place. He said that the British call all the shots. You could hear a gasp from all of us at once.
The British try to get us to agree to this or that thing in their constitution draft but we said no, we won't be agreeing to nothing in that document because we reject it. Minor issues are not the debate because we disagree with the draft constitution entirely. The British had trouble understanding, we won't focus on small points in it. Who drafted the constitution? Not us.
Our men dressed real nice and spoke well. We showed the FCO representatives that we have many educated, smart and capable leaders in Turks and Caicos. The church was filled with capable leaders and Ian Hendry can take that back to England because that's a fact. We don't need the likes of the British white men thinking they are superior to us just because of the colour of their skin. Their skin colour does not make them more qualified to run our country when we have good, educated individuals that care about our futures and our country.
We will not play games with their constitution changes anymore. They want us to work with it and we say no. If it were a real constitution it would be made by the people, for the people and voted on by the people. They cannot swoop in to draft a new constitution of their own liking and give their own governor authority over our government at his will and trick us into agreeing to it without a vote setting us back 30 years and taking away our self determination. Ian Hendry can take that back to England too.
There is not a chance that these constitutional lawyers believe in their honest moments that what they are doing is legally or ethically right. They know they are doing dirty work. I call upon Mr. Hendry and his side kicks to withdraw from their duties of wrong doing. No constitutional lawyer with any scruples would advise a people to accept any constitution without a vote and certainly not this one. I can't get over how they are trying to trick us. The FCO are slippery serpents, as is Ian Hendry. Take that back to England now sir.
Turks and Caicos United Again, We are a Nation
By: BF
Turks and Caicos is small, hearsay travels fast. That boded well for the British when they tried to divide us in their recolonization aggression over the last 2 years. But now it is working in our favour. If it hadn't been for the draft constitution meetings we would not have been able to compare notes together to see how united we have become. I see hope that we have overcome the British brainwashing. The meetings this week are precisely what we needed. I thank Mrs. Sharlene Cartwright Robinson for encouraging us to unite as a nation to speak for our convictions at the town hall meetings. I also thank the FCO's Mr. Ian Hendry for inadvertently uniting us by trying to force sell the British draft constitution on TCI. Look at what we discovered about us. Our values are similar. Our ideas are just. Our principles are sound. We uniformly oppose the overreaching policies set in motion by the British. We discovered that we have many educated leaders that care about the future of Turks and Caicos. The intellect exhibited by many of our speakers in the meeting venues exemplified what we have been doing right as a nation all of these years with empowerment programs and education scholarships. We are not ignorant natives, as the British hoped.
It is impossible for the British to dispute that we are a separate nation when they witnessed that our values and ideas as a nation clearly do not align with the policies that the British seek to impose on us as a populace. We, the people, reject the British draft constitution. Both the PDM and the PNP political parties reject the British draft constitution. The draft constitution meetings clearly demonstrated how passionately different we feel from the British on the whole. We are Turks and Caicos "the nation" not the colony. It is as plain as the nose on their face and ours. The British are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. They have gone to great cost to recolonize us. They want it badly. They have stopped at nothing to humiliate us, threaten us, keep information from us and democratically oppress us. But again, look at what we discovered about us, we are the same people at the end of the day. When push came to shove we all united for the good of our nation and we reaffirmed our congruent values. We care about the future of our nation.
When confronted with a political tragedy like ours, nobody knows how a person will respond. We were confronted with losing our jobs and businesses by the British, and some of us did. We were confronted with losing our freedoms, literally with threats of crimes over all of us. We were confronted with losing our homes, and some of us did. I will not pretend that we all did the right thing along the way while we were plagued in an emergency situation. Somebody artificially activated the malicious finger pointing campaign around these parts, it worked yesterday but not today and not tomorrow. Look at what we discovered about us, we are the same people at the end of the day.
This has been a gratifying week. Clayton Greene and Doug Parnell came through for us and showed us that we (as people and as a nation) were more important to them than party politics. We were present for each other from every island and every political affiliation to help for a common cause. Do you know what that means? It means that we are "we" and not "them" and it means that we are not and cannot be a part of the British. We do not share any similarities to them; their policies are opposite of our values. When people don't see eye to eye it's time to go their separate ways, not join as the British are forcing.
We discovered that we are a nation of strong convictions and values and nobody can take that from us at the end of the day and nobody can take "us" from us. We can stick together and unite. I am proud of our leaders once again and am proud to be a Turks and Caicos Islander.
(originally published at http://tcipost.com/wordpress)
Turks and Caicos is small, hearsay travels fast. That boded well for the British when they tried to divide us in their recolonization aggression over the last 2 years. But now it is working in our favour. If it hadn't been for the draft constitution meetings we would not have been able to compare notes together to see how united we have become. I see hope that we have overcome the British brainwashing. The meetings this week are precisely what we needed. I thank Mrs. Sharlene Cartwright Robinson for encouraging us to unite as a nation to speak for our convictions at the town hall meetings. I also thank the FCO's Mr. Ian Hendry for inadvertently uniting us by trying to force sell the British draft constitution on TCI. Look at what we discovered about us. Our values are similar. Our ideas are just. Our principles are sound. We uniformly oppose the overreaching policies set in motion by the British. We discovered that we have many educated leaders that care about the future of Turks and Caicos. The intellect exhibited by many of our speakers in the meeting venues exemplified what we have been doing right as a nation all of these years with empowerment programs and education scholarships. We are not ignorant natives, as the British hoped.
It is impossible for the British to dispute that we are a separate nation when they witnessed that our values and ideas as a nation clearly do not align with the policies that the British seek to impose on us as a populace. We, the people, reject the British draft constitution. Both the PDM and the PNP political parties reject the British draft constitution. The draft constitution meetings clearly demonstrated how passionately different we feel from the British on the whole. We are Turks and Caicos "the nation" not the colony. It is as plain as the nose on their face and ours. The British are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. They have gone to great cost to recolonize us. They want it badly. They have stopped at nothing to humiliate us, threaten us, keep information from us and democratically oppress us. But again, look at what we discovered about us, we are the same people at the end of the day. When push came to shove we all united for the good of our nation and we reaffirmed our congruent values. We care about the future of our nation.
When confronted with a political tragedy like ours, nobody knows how a person will respond. We were confronted with losing our jobs and businesses by the British, and some of us did. We were confronted with losing our freedoms, literally with threats of crimes over all of us. We were confronted with losing our homes, and some of us did. I will not pretend that we all did the right thing along the way while we were plagued in an emergency situation. Somebody artificially activated the malicious finger pointing campaign around these parts, it worked yesterday but not today and not tomorrow. Look at what we discovered about us, we are the same people at the end of the day.
This has been a gratifying week. Clayton Greene and Doug Parnell came through for us and showed us that we (as people and as a nation) were more important to them than party politics. We were present for each other from every island and every political affiliation to help for a common cause. Do you know what that means? It means that we are "we" and not "them" and it means that we are not and cannot be a part of the British. We do not share any similarities to them; their policies are opposite of our values. When people don't see eye to eye it's time to go their separate ways, not join as the British are forcing.
We discovered that we are a nation of strong convictions and values and nobody can take that from us at the end of the day and nobody can take "us" from us. We can stick together and unite. I am proud of our leaders once again and am proud to be a Turks and Caicos Islander.
(originally published at http://tcipost.com/wordpress)
Thursday, September 24, 2009
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Letter from Peter Williams regarding TCI Journal
Posted: http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a#
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”.
Comments from Mr. Henry Jolson http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/721f9d352c9a0a10#
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”.
http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a#
I have been getting your post for a couple of months now, but very seldomly post any thing to the group discussions. I normally just read to stay in touch and be informed, but I feel compelled to respond to this attack on Peter Williams by evanson williamson.
I must begin by taking offense to Mr. Williamson placing you in the same bracket with Shaun Malcolm and the TCI Journal. From my reading you continue to show yourself as someone that loves your country and only wants the best for it.
I also agree that there are honest and respectable men and women in both the PDM and the PNP. I actually have friends and family members that support and are involved in both political parties. They do not behave as gang members. They have families, they run businesses, they have legitimate jobs and they work hard for their living.
Gang members normally sit idly looking to create havoc, terrorize their neighborhoods and rob people in order to survive. In short they live off of other people.
Can someone please let me know if I am missing something. Didn't shaun malcolm claim that he has not been able to work now for a couple of years? But I see him regularly in Miami. Is it just me or do you wonder how he is able to maintain his house and travel as frequently as he does without working?
There are too many accounts of Shaun Malcolm telling his sad story and going to business people every month to pay his bills rather than getting a job.
It is the TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI economy with its reporting.
I know that our people like gossip, but we have to see through how these people are using come islanders to destroy our entire country and demean all of us.
The TCI Journal sits in the dark looking to see who they can attack without cause.
I ask you who sound more like a gang the political parties in the TCI or the TCI Journal?
I know that many people back home give the journal credit for the commission of inquiry (that I believe was totally necessary), but i read the Foreign Affairs Committee report and did not see any thing from the journal and the only thing i saw from shaun was him complaining about his personal land. With all the people that would have probably been in a similar position, he only complained about his land that was lost. I read that and made up my mind that he just wants what the government had. Most of the other submission had to do with real issues of corruption.
And even it they did anything to help bring the corruption of the former administration to an end, it does not give them the right to destroy our country and to behave the way they have been behaving for the past year.
Here in the States I run into so many use car salesmen and conartist that will seek to associate themselves with honest people or drop names of popular figures in hopes that people will look at them in the same vain and place in them the same trust they had in the honest person or popular figure. That seems to be exactly what Evanson Williamson seems to be doing by associating Peter Williams and his google groups with the TCI journal and it offends me.
Please people we were tricked by conartist in the last two elections, PLEASE do not allow the conartists that will emerge now to still continue to deceive us in 2009. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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Letter from Peter Williams regarding TCI Journal
Posted: http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a#
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”.
Comments from Mr. Henry Jolson http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/721f9d352c9a0a10#
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”.
http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a#
I have been getting your post for a couple of months now, but very seldomly post any thing to the group discussions. I normally just read to stay in touch and be informed, but I feel compelled to respond to this attack on Peter Williams by evanson williamson.
I must begin by taking offense to Mr. Williamson placing you in the same bracket with Shaun Malcolm and the TCI Journal. From my reading you continue to show yourself as someone that loves your country and only wants the best for it.
I also agree that there are honest and respectable men and women in both the PDM and the PNP. I actually have friends and family members that support and are involved in both political parties. They do not behave as gang members. They have families, they run businesses, they have legitimate jobs and they work hard for their living.
Gang members normally sit idly looking to create havoc, terrorize their neighborhoods and rob people in order to survive. In short they live off of other people.
Can someone please let me know if I am missing something. Didn't shaun malcolm claim that he has not been able to work now for a couple of years? But I see him regularly in Miami. Is it just me or do you wonder how he is able to maintain his house and travel as frequently as he does without working?
There are too many accounts of Shaun Malcolm telling his sad story and going to business people every month to pay his bills rather than getting a job.
It is the TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI economy with its reporting.
I know that our people like gossip, but we have to see through how these people are using come islanders to destroy our entire country and demean all of us.
The TCI Journal sits in the dark looking to see who they can attack without cause.
I ask you who sound more like a gang the political parties in the TCI or the TCI Journal?
I know that many people back home give the journal credit for the commission of inquiry (that I believe was totally necessary), but i read the Foreign Affairs Committee report and did not see any thing from the journal and the only thing i saw from shaun was him complaining about his personal land. With all the people that would have probably been in a similar position, he only complained about his land that was lost. I read that and made up my mind that he just wants what the government had. Most of the other submission had to do with real issues of corruption.
And even it they did anything to help bring the corruption of the former administration to an end, it does not give them the right to destroy our country and to behave the way they have been behaving for the past year.
Here in the States I run into so many use car salesmen and conartist that will seek to associate themselves with honest people or drop names of popular figures in hopes that people will look at them in the same vain and place in them the same trust they had in the honest person or popular figure. That seems to be exactly what Evanson Williamson seems to be doing by associating Peter Williams and his google groups with the TCI journal and it offends me.
Please people we were tricked by conartist in the last two elections, PLEASE do not allow the conartists that will emerge now to still continue to deceive us in 2009. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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1 - R.F.HousemanSep 23, 2009 at 11:40 am
The TCI Journal know nothing about freedom of speech, if they did they would allow
concern citizen to respond to their postings. Freedom to responding is not
something they at TCI Journal know anything about.
I do agree, Shaun Malcolm will have his hands full with legal issues in the very near
future. The world should know that Shaun Malcolm is being supported monthly from
donations from people like David Hartshorn and others. The truth is Shaun Malcolm
has not earn an honest dollar in the last five years. One can easy check his
contributions to National Insurance over the past five years.
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2 - M.E MisickSep 23, 2009 at 11:48 am
Its a crying shame when dope smokers like Richard Burke can come into our
country and openly attack developers. The reason why so many Investors are
leaving our shores is because people like Richard Burke and his partner Shaun
Malcom attacks every developer who comes into the country to make and
investment. Hundreds of developers are leaving to put down foundation is a less
hostile and more welcoming. We have TCI Journal to take for the major down turn
in our economy.
The entire country is praying for the day when TCI Journal will cease to exist.
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3 - Ron HiggsSep 23, 2009 at 11:54 am
My goal is to rid the Turks and Caicos of expatriate worker and form a union made
up of TCI works only. I give all my praises to Robert Mugabi.
I plan to contest the Five Cay seat in Providenciales which I plan to win with my
Haitian brothers help. Real change is coming baby.
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4 - Evans Lavard• Sep 23, 2009 at 11:59 am
Do anyone out there know for sure that Mr.Shaun Malcolm is having an affair with
Mr.Richard Burke. I have seen photos of the two at Ricahrd's house in Thompson's
cove. I also heard that they get together often to have a joint or smoke some weed.
Can someone get some proof to this, photos anything. The people deserves to know
since they put themselves in public life as Shaun would say.
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5 - Edgar ChasmSep 23, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Shaun Malcolm and Richard Berke are in the public now, lets get everything out in
the open. Let's have this transparency and spotlight that Shaun Malcolm is always
squawking about. Where's the disinfecting light on him? He does not speak for
anyone that I know. Oh, and don't forget the God Bless. (He'll need it).
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6 - Jackie WilliamsSep 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Know you all lying on Shaun Malcolm, Shaun can't be gay because he just had a
little boy by JB Dalancy daughter and he still marries.
I know Harold Charles fired him from Sky King for stealing. I also heard that he
once stole all of the money from the mass choir. What ever did become of that case.
You boys I don't have to hide behind no fake name to say what I got to say. I am a
straight up sister.
I let your coments yellow man. Talk to you later.
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7 - CliveSep 23, 2009 at 12:24 pm
We are so mad that these guys at TCI Journal are running the agenda in the islands.
We are already in a state of uncertainty - what are they trying to do? We are trying
to get back to business. This guy is right. Nobody should pay attention to their
slurs. I know Malcolm -- he's a trouble making wimp and that's why he hides.
4 -
Hazel ProspereSep 23, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Can anyone imagine Shaun Malcolm being a future member of Parliament? OMG that
makes me want to puke. What have our country come too when we can allow Shaun
Malcolm. David Hartshorn,Richard Burke and otehrs destory what we has good citizens
have built over the years.
The TCIJoural and its writers(Notice I did't use the word GANG) are actually no different
from Michael Misick and teh PNP.
If the TCI Journal want to be transparent they would do what this blog have allow
everyone in the country to do and that is to respond correctly to the issues of the day.
We the people of the TCI are demanding accountability from the TCIJournal . They
might not be license to operate legally but they should play by the rules of all the media
houses in the TCI. Show your faces TCIJournal we all know who you are anyway.
5 - Brittany Jolly
Sep 23, 2009 at 7:58 pm
What happen to the comments that were on here earlier?
6 - Brittany Jolly
Sep 23, 2009 at 8:19 pm
While there were some that were over the line some were very poi ant and may have
been better served just editing the concerns to allow for the the full picture to be
painted.
7 - Brittany Jolly
Sep 23, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Hi Debbie, don't forget Nat Darceuil. They are a fearsome 4some. All over 40 with no
wives. Things that make you go hmmmm.
8 -
Dave NalleSep 23, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Factual posts should be accompanied by links to documentation.
Dave
9 -
RuvySep 24, 2009 at 2:13 am
C. Burke,
It is always interesting to read about events that DO NOT have to do with the boring
belly-button staring Americans at the politics section of this magazine. Obama, in
addition to being a faker, is terribly boring, as are most of those who are his
worshippers. His opponents pall after a time as well; neither of the groups have more
than a rather limited radar to understand events in the world, and it appears that most of
them do not really give a damn, either. But they should not be dismissed out of hand.
You never know when some of these fine folks display an interest in events that go
beyond the boob tube or its internet equivalent.
But having said all this, your article suffers from the lack of internet links to demonstrate
your points and to allow the vast majority of us, who are not familiar with the tourist or
development issues of the Turks and Caicos Islands, to familiarize ourselves with them.
They are absolutely necessary if you wish a greater readership to comprehend what
you are talking about, and what goes on behind the bartender's smile when they visit
Caribbean paradises....
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