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Letter from Peter Williams regarding TCI Journal 


 


Posted: http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a


 


You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
 
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
 
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
 
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”. 
 


 


Comments from Mr. Henry Jolson http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/721f9d352c9a0a10#
 
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
 
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
 
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
 
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”. 
  
 


Letter from group member:  "TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI"


http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a#
 
I have been getting your post for a couple of months now, but very seldomly post any thing to the group discussions.  I normally just read to stay in touch and be informed, but I feel compelled to respond to this attack on Peter Williams by evanson williamson.
 
I must begin by taking offense to Mr. Williamson placing you in the same bracket with Shaun Malcolm and the TCI Journal.  From my reading you continue to show yourself as someone that loves your country and only wants the best for it.
 
I also agree that there are honest and respectable men and women in both the PDM and the PNP.  I actually have friends and family members that support and are involved in both political parties.  They do not behave as gang members. They have families, they run businesses, they have legitimate jobs and they work hard for their living.
 
Gang members normally sit idly looking to create havoc, terrorize their neighborhoods and rob people in order to survive. In short they live off of other people.
 
Can someone please let me know if I am missing something.  Didn't shaun malcolm claim that he has not been able to work now for a couple of years?  But I see him regularly in Miami.  Is it just me or do you wonder how he is able to maintain his house and travel as frequently as he does without working?
 
There are too many accounts of Shaun Malcolm telling his sad story and going to business people every month to pay his bills rather than getting a job.
 
It is the TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI economy with its reporting.
 
I know that our people like gossip, but we have to see through how these people are using come islanders to destroy our entire country and demean all of us.
 
The TCI Journal sits in the dark looking to see who they can attack without cause.
 
I ask you who sound more like a gang the political parties in the TCI or the TCI Journal?
 
I know that many people back home give the journal credit for the commission of inquiry (that I believe was totally necessary), but i read the Foreign Affairs Committee report and did not see any thing from the journal and the only thing i saw from shaun was him complaining about his personal land.  With all the people that would have probably been in a similar position, he only complained about his land that was lost.  I read that and made up my mind that he just wants what the government had.  Most of the other submission had to do with real issues of corruption.
 
And even it they did anything to help bring the corruption of the former administration to an end, it does not give them the right to destroy our country and to behave the way they have been behaving for the past year.
 
Here in the States I run into so many use car salesmen and conartist that will seek to associate themselves with honest people or drop names of popular figures in hopes that people will look at them in the same vain and place in them the same trust they had in the honest person or popular figure.  That seems to be exactly what Evanson Williamson seems to be doing by associating Peter Williams and his google groups with the TCI journal and it offends me.
 
Please people we were tricked by conartist in the last two elections, PLEASE do not allow the conartists that will emerge now to still continue to deceive us in 2009.  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.



 



 



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Letter from Peter Williams regarding TCI Journal 


 


Posted: http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a


 


You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
 
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
 
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
 
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”. 
 


 


Comments from Mr. Henry Jolson http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/721f9d352c9a0a10#
 
You have obviously not read me correctly Mr. Williams, or Mr. Williamson, whichever one you are; I do not know neither do I care actually, if the TCI Journal and Shaun Malcolm are doing the four things stated in your first paragraph. And I know for certain that I have never said that these positions have a political agenda and are insulting people. Perhaps you will be so kind as to point out to me where I have said this, if you are so convinced.
 
I have seen enough in the Journal to conclude that they have no love for, and seemingly want to see the demise of the PNP and PDM Parties; for one thing, disparagingly calling them on more than one occasion “gangs”. I am not willing to assume that the folks at the Journal are anarchists and want to see the total breakdown of government and of law and order here. I would much rather believe that if they want to see the end of the two political parties, they must have something in mind to replace them with.
 
If I have said that Malcolm and the Journal are doing something wrong, it is not because of your four points, but rather because the Journal has time and again insulted the Turks & Caicos people, allowing their contributors to accuse us all of having “unearned privilege” and Commissioner of Human Rights, Ms. Doreen Quelch-Misick, as “a prominent TC Unearned Privilege Baby”, and the “Non-Commissioner of Human Rights”; and calling the indigenous women of the Turks and Caicos “minority”; and Turks & Caicos workers “completely overpaid and dishonest TCI citizen bidness-man”
 
And no Mr. Williams, the PNP is not a “well run gang”. It is instead, a legitimate organization, committed to serving the Turks & Caicos people. Both the PNP and the PDM comprise many individuals that are honest and upright citizens of the Turks & Caicos Islands, and I am certain that they feel very insulted being called members of a gang, and of their party being called a gang. Not only has one of their contributors repeatedly referred to our political parties as gangs, the editors themselves on September 18 accused both parties of being “the two rival gangs masquerading as political parties”. 
  
 


Letter from group member:  "TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI"


http://groups.google.com/group/turks-and-caicos-informers/browse_thread/thread/48b34034931a2a1a#
 
I have been getting your post for a couple of months now, but very seldomly post any thing to the group discussions.  I normally just read to stay in touch and be informed, but I feel compelled to respond to this attack on Peter Williams by evanson williamson.
 
I must begin by taking offense to Mr. Williamson placing you in the same bracket with Shaun Malcolm and the TCI Journal.  From my reading you continue to show yourself as someone that loves your country and only wants the best for it.
 
I also agree that there are honest and respectable men and women in both the PDM and the PNP.  I actually have friends and family members that support and are involved in both political parties.  They do not behave as gang members. They have families, they run businesses, they have legitimate jobs and they work hard for their living.
 
Gang members normally sit idly looking to create havoc, terrorize their neighborhoods and rob people in order to survive. In short they live off of other people.
 
Can someone please let me know if I am missing something.  Didn't shaun malcolm claim that he has not been able to work now for a couple of years?  But I see him regularly in Miami.  Is it just me or do you wonder how he is able to maintain his house and travel as frequently as he does without working?
 
There are too many accounts of Shaun Malcolm telling his sad story and going to business people every month to pay his bills rather than getting a job.
 
It is the TCI Journal that has attacked every Turks and Caicos Islander with their disrespectful commentary and sought to destabilize the TCI economy with its reporting.
 
I know that our people like gossip, but we have to see through how these people are using come islanders to destroy our entire country and demean all of us.
 
The TCI Journal sits in the dark looking to see who they can attack without cause.
 
I ask you who sound more like a gang the political parties in the TCI or the TCI Journal?
 
I know that many people back home give the journal credit for the commission of inquiry (that I believe was totally necessary), but i read the Foreign Affairs Committee report and did not see any thing from the journal and the only thing i saw from shaun was him complaining about his personal land.  With all the people that would have probably been in a similar position, he only complained about his land that was lost.  I read that and made up my mind that he just wants what the government had.  Most of the other submission had to do with real issues of corruption.
 
And even it they did anything to help bring the corruption of the former administration to an end, it does not give them the right to destroy our country and to behave the way they have been behaving for the past year.
 
Here in the States I run into so many use car salesmen and conartist that will seek to associate themselves with honest people or drop names of popular figures in hopes that people will look at them in the same vain and place in them the same trust they had in the honest person or popular figure.  That seems to be exactly what Evanson Williamson seems to be doing by associating Peter Williams and his google groups with the TCI journal and it offends me.
 
Please people we were tricked by conartist in the last two elections, PLEASE do not allow the conartists that will emerge now to still continue to deceive us in 2009.  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.



 



 



comments from story on Blogcritics

 
comments from story on Blogcritics

 

Article comments


1 - R.F.Houseman


Sep 23, 2009 at 11:40 am


The TCI Journal know nothing about freedom of speech, if they did they would allow


concern citizen to respond to their postings. Freedom to responding is not


something they at TCI Journal know anything about.


I do agree, Shaun Malcolm will have his hands full with legal issues in the very near


future. The world should know that Shaun Malcolm is being supported monthly from


donations from people like David Hartshorn and others. The truth is Shaun Malcolm


has not earn an honest dollar in the last five years. One can easy check his


contributions to National Insurance over the past five years.


2 - M.E Misick


Sep 23, 2009 at 11:48 am


Its a crying shame when dope smokers like Richard Burke can come into our


country and openly attack developers. The reason why so many Investors are


leaving our shores is because people like Richard Burke and his partner Shaun


Malcom attacks every developer who comes into the country to make and


investment. Hundreds of developers are leaving to put down foundation is a less


hostile and more welcoming. We have TCI Journal to take for the major down turn


in our economy.


The entire country is praying for the day when TCI Journal will cease to exist.


3 - Ron Higgs


Sep 23, 2009 at 11:54 am


My goal is to rid the Turks and Caicos of expatriate worker and form a union made


up of TCI works only. I give all my praises to Robert Mugabi.


I plan to contest the Five Cay seat in Providenciales which I plan to win with my


Haitian brothers help. Real change is coming baby.



4 - Evans Lavard


• Sep 23, 2009 at 11:59 am


Do anyone out there know for sure that Mr.Shaun Malcolm is having an affair with


Mr.Richard Burke. I have seen photos of the two at Ricahrd's house in Thompson's


cove. I also heard that they get together often to have a joint or smoke some weed.


Can someone get some proof to this, photos anything. The people deserves to know


since they put themselves in public life as Shaun would say.


5 - Edgar Chasm


Sep 23, 2009 at 12:10 pm


Shaun Malcolm and Richard Berke are in the public now, lets get everything out in


the open. Let's have this transparency and spotlight that Shaun Malcolm is always


squawking about. Where's the disinfecting light on him? He does not speak for


anyone that I know. Oh, and don't forget the God Bless. (He'll need it).


6 - Jackie Williams


Sep 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm


Know you all lying on Shaun Malcolm, Shaun can't be gay because he just had a


little boy by JB Dalancy daughter and he still marries.


I know Harold Charles fired him from Sky King for stealing. I also heard that he


once stole all of the money from the mass choir. What ever did become of that case.


You boys I don't have to hide behind no fake name to say what I got to say. I am a


straight up sister.


I let your coments yellow man. Talk to you later.


7 - Clive


Sep 23, 2009 at 12:24 pm


We are so mad that these guys at TCI Journal are running the agenda in the islands.


We are already in a state of uncertainty - what are they trying to do? We are trying


to get back to business. This guy is right. Nobody should pay attention to their


slurs. I know Malcolm -- he's a trouble making wimp and that's why he hides.


4 - Hazel Prospere


Sep 23, 2009 at 6:48 pm


Can anyone imagine Shaun Malcolm being a future member of Parliament? OMG that


makes me want to puke. What have our country come too when we can allow Shaun


Malcolm. David Hartshorn,Richard Burke and otehrs destory what we has good citizens


have built over the years.


The TCIJoural and its writers(Notice I did't use the word GANG) are actually no different


from Michael Misick and teh PNP.


If the TCI Journal want to be transparent they would do what this blog have allow


everyone in the country to do and that is to respond correctly to the issues of the day.


We the people of the TCI are demanding accountability from the TCIJournal . They


might not be license to operate legally but they should play by the rules of all the media


houses in the TCI. Show your faces TCIJournal we all know who you are anyway.


5 - Brittany Jolly


Sep 23, 2009 at 7:58 pm


What happen to the comments that were on here earlier?


6 - Brittany Jolly


Sep 23, 2009 at 8:19 pm


While there were some that were over the line some were very poi ant and may have


been better served just editing the concerns to allow for the the full picture to be


painted.


7 - Brittany Jolly


Sep 23, 2009 at 8:31 pm


Hi Debbie, don't forget Nat Darceuil. They are a fearsome 4some. All over 40 with no


wives. Things that make you go hmmmm.


8 - Dave Nalle


Sep 23, 2009 at 11:07 pm


Factual posts should be accompanied by links to documentation.


Dave


9 - Ruvy


Sep 24, 2009 at 2:13 am


C. Burke,


It is always interesting to read about events that DO NOT have to do with the boring


belly-button staring Americans at the politics section of this magazine. Obama, in


addition to being a faker, is terribly boring, as are most of those who are his


worshippers. His opponents pall after a time as well; neither of the groups have more


than a rather limited radar to understand events in the world, and it appears that most of


them do not really give a damn, either. But they should not be dismissed out of hand.


You never know when some of these fine folks display an interest in events that go


beyond the boob tube or its internet equivalent.


But having said all this, your article suffers from the lack of internet links to demonstrate


your points and to allow the vast majority of us, who are not familiar with the tourist or


development issues of the Turks and Caicos Islands, to familiarize ourselves with them.


They are absolutely necessary if you wish a greater readership to comprehend what


you are talking about, and what goes on behind the bartender's smile when they visit


Caribbean paradises....


Saturday, August 15, 2009

Tourism in Turks and Caicos under direct UK rule - the consequences

By: Chis Burke, originally posted on August 2 (written before the take over. It's prophetic)

As the Islands of Turks and Caicos settles amidst the welcomed departure of Michael Misick Turks and Caicos' former Premier, worries about Crown land deals threaten tourism on the Islands.

If Britain decides to take over the self-governed territory of Turks and Caicos Islands, which has been self-governed since 1973, they better be prepared to keep the status quo. Changing the constitution to take revenues from tourism would be akin to slavery in the sense that revenues would be taken directly from the islands' people who work hard for their economy.

Great Britain must step lightly if they plan to take self-government from Turks and Caicos. As it is, this step would not be favourable to the world or the people of Turks and Caicos. For one, the world has denounced colonialism. For second, the new government of 5 months is doing quite well, which takes away legitimacy for this draconian move by Great Britain.

Crown land is real estate or property owned by the government of Turks and Caicos Island. The government is the largest Crown landholder on the Islands. This makes Crown lands the government’s most valuable asset and this asset value has risen dramatically over recent years. For Britain to suddenly usurp that progress and capitalize on the revenues, will not sit well with the world.

Commercial land development is one of the main purposes of Crown land use and sale. The Crown Land Policy is formulated to "attract investments judged best for the interest of TCI," as prescribed by The Turks and Caicos Islands, Crown Land Policy.

While certain developers have purchased Crown land and are in various stages of developing the real property, Britain's rule could hold these developers hostage within their own multi-million dollar projects, years of planning and promises of employment for many locals.

At the core of the movement to welcome British rule is a small but outspoken group of "Belongers," residents who were born in Turks and Caicos Islands.

According to the Crown Land Policy, a Belonger who is at least 21 years old can qualify for a discount on Crown Land.

Under the former Misick cabinet, several land developers were sold Crown land as encouraged under the Crown Land Policy and did so under the color of government authority.

However, this outspoken group of Belongers have been lobbying British Parliament dating back years, protesting their right to own Crown Land and expressing their dissatisfaction of developers' owning Crown land property. However, their efforts are misguided.

Under the Open Tendering provision of the Crown Land Policy, the government, "will identify potential development site(s) on every island, consistent with its development strategy. These sites will be actively marketed to prospective developers ..."

At the very soul of Turks and Caicos economy is tourism, certainly development is a requisite part of that in every way.

Now that Misick is no longer Premier of Turks and Caicos, some Belongers are reported to be exploiting this political situation by encouraging British rule, presumably to make legal standing for the return of Crown land and to attempt to thwart sales of Crown land to land developers.

However, this Crown Land Policy is not likely to change under British rule and the Belongers are unwittingly putting the future of Turks and Caicos in limbo for a period of at least 2 years should Britain take over. The prospect of Britain's interference would most certainly cause a stalemate in development, hence tourism revenues for the people of Turks and Caicos, which would be an unfortunate short-sighted plan for Crown land grabbers.

Britain better think long hard before disrupting any development or tourism in Turks and Caicos. Resort development is the future of the Turks and Caicos economy for many generations to come.

Turks and Caicos UK direct rule - "democracy has been taken from the people"

http://www.rocketnews.com/2009/08/ex-turks-and-caicos-pm-accuses-uk/

Read the full story at the above link.

Here's a summary


" ...premier Galmo Williams said UK Foreign Office findings of "systematic corruption" must also reflect badly on the territory’s British governor.

Power was transferred to the governor on Friday, when the Caribbean colony’s administration was suspended.

The UK government had been threatening action for several months after an inquiry commissioned by the Foreign Office returned a damning verdict.

It examined the actions of the Turks’ Cabinet and Assembly and found "information in abundance pointing to a high probability of systematic corruption or serious dishonesty".


"It’s a very sad day – democracy has been taken away from the citizens""